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let's get after it. good morning, welcome to "new day", poppy harlow joins me, we have breaking news, secretary of state rex tillerson delivering a stern warning saying all options are on the table with north korea but going even further, that the era of silence is over. does that mean diplomacy is over when when it comes to dealing with north korea unless it denuclearizes. >> all of this is coming as the trump white house is distracted by the president's unproven wiretapping claims. they are also battling resistance to the president's proposed budget and to the gop's own health care plan which divided his own party and may not have the votes to get through the house. we enter day 57 of the trump presidency. let's begin with alexandra field with the breaking details.
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avy clear message from the secretary of state. >> reporter: the secretary of state was up at the border between south korea and north korea, he said the 20 years of diplomacy have failed. the efforts to contain and control north korea's nuclear ambitions and missile ambitions have failed. he returned to seoul this afternoon speaking to reporters saying that the military option is on the table if north korea threatens the u.s. forgss or south korean forces based here on the peninsula or if they continue to accelerate the weapons program to an extent where the u.s. feels there is no other recourse. of course the story goes like this, the thinking is there were ever to be a preemptive strike on north korea, they could retaliate against seoul, a city with a population of 24 million people in the wider metro area. it sits within rocket range of the north korean border. certainly military conflict and military option is something no one wants to see. secretary tillerson said there
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are a number of steps that could be taken place. >> the policy of strategic placement has ended. we're exploring a new range of diplomatic security and economic measures. all options are on the table. >> secretary tillerson now saying that the north korean threat is no throis no longer a regional concern and and kim jong-un saying this year he wants to launch a intercontinental missile capable he says of carrying a nuclear tip warhead to the u.s. >> what the secretary of state said is brought into context in terms of what happens next. is north korea getting ready for another missile test? if so, what is going to be the response by the united states? what will be the spoens by north korea to what the secretary of state just said? let's get right to barbara starr live at the pentagon. >> reporter: good morning, underpinning all of the rhetoric, all of the language
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that the world is hearing this morning is u.s. intelligence, u.s. satellite flying over north korea are watching closely even as we speak. they are seeing several things our sources are telling us, they believe the u.s. believes north korea is getting ready possibly for a sixth underground nuclear test. recent imagery from the test site shows the tunnels are looked to be the entrances, look to be ready for a test that there's equipment and personnel moving around whether will they do it? nobody knows. we're seeing evidence that north korea is moving equipment around that could be associated with an intercontinental ballistic missile launch. let's be clear, the belief is by u.s. intelligence they don't have the capability yet of a missile that could reach the united states but that clearly absolutely what they are working on and working on advanced missiles while all of the rhetoric goes on in washington,
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north korea may be the issue that donald trump may have to take the most seriously. poppy? >> indeed, barbara starr working sources this morning. thank you for that. and all of this north korean news comes as the white house continues to angrily defend president trump's unproven wiretap claims. the controversy proving challenging for the president to focus on his own agenda. good morning. >> reporter: poppy this administration appears to be in crisis mode on multiple fronts with members of the president's own party on capitol hill flatly contradicting his wiretapping claims. the response so far from the white house in the briefing room has been doubling down. >> hold on. let me -- i'm trying to answer your question, jonathan. if you can calm down. >> reporter: white house press secretary sean spicer defiant and combative. >> stands by it but you're mischaracterizing what happened
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today. >> reporter: angry defending the president's unsubstantiated claim that former president obama wiretapped phones at trump tower despite leaders from both parties saying there is no proof. >> we have cleared that up. no evidence of that. >> reporter: spicer continuing to cite media reports to try to justify the president's baseless accusation. >> there's widespread reporting that throughout the 2016 election, there was surveillance done on a variety of people. >> the leaders of the senate intelligence committee rejecting the claim in the strongest statement yet, stating based on the evidence available to us, we see no indications that trump tower was the subject of surveillance. the republican chair of the house intelligence committee firm in saying that president's wiretapping claim is wrong. >> do you see evidence to suggest that may have picked up donald trump's communications at all? do you have any evidence to suggest that? >> other than general flynn, we don't. >> the ranking democrat on the committee tells cnn he expects
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fbi director james comey to debunk president trump's accusation when he testifies before congress on monday. >> there's no evidence at all. >> reporter: this as the trump administration confronts criticism over the budget proposal. >> we can't spend money on programs because they sound good. >> reporter: harold rogers deeming the budget dra con yan and counter proktive and marco rubio says proposed cuts to the state department undermine america's ability to keep our citizens safe. the budget aims to slash billions from government agencies to boost military spending, hitting hard social services like afterschool programs for children and programs that feed the elderly. >> meals on wheels sounds great, that's a state decision to fund that particular portion and take the federal money and give it to the states. we want to give you money for programs that work. >> meals on wheels is a wonderful program, it is one i
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would never vote to cut even one dollar. >> the white house also facing another sobering reality, the health care bill may fall short of the votes needed to pass in the house. cnn's whip count has 21 republicans saying they will vote no or are leaning against it. house leadership can't afford to lose another vote. sean spicer at that unusual briefing also repeated an assertion made on another network that former president obama enlisted the british intelligence agency gchq to spy on donald trim p. they retrump. and now theresa may speaking to reporters say the white house has agreed not to repeat that assertion when asked if the white house apologized. she said she would not repeat private conversations. the white house and nsc in
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washington have not responded. >> joe johns, appreciate it very much. >> we have the perfect guest for this conversation, house majority whip steve scalise, we'll talk about the gop health care bill and what the whip thinks about the vote count right now. i want your take on this breaking news on what the secretary of state just said out of north korea. did you know that this policy would be apparently changed in terms of their rhetoric coming out of the united states representative on this issue? >> obviously it's all developing quickly. you see secretary of state tillerson going over there and frankly confronting somebody who has been saber rattling and confronting not only our enemies but provoking the united states as well with the nuclear tests and stated whether or not their intentions -- their move towards having the ability to send
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intercontinental ballistic missile in the united states. i'm glad they are focusing on it. >> do you think we can get the votes to take military action against north korea, how fact sensitive do you think that would be? what kind of appetite do you think there would be for something like that? >> the fact they are not taking options off the table is important and if there's a case to make you're going to support in congress -- >> remember, declarations, that's your guy's duty first, before it gets to the president certainly. that's that issue. let's talk health care. you know what the cnn count was as of 11:00 last night, cnn believes it's about 21 of your party membership may go against this bill that number is relevant because it means it wouldn't pass. do you buy that whip count? if not, why not? >> with any whip count on any high profile bill, our job is to work with members on a regular basis. i'm talking with members today that are undecided and leaning no and there's a path for most
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of them. we're working with specific changes that get the members that are no to a yes vote on the bill. >> to the premise is we've got to change this in order to get it past and the white house is resistant to that and paul ryan seems to be changing his tune on that as well. what are the biggest things people want to change as far as your experience? >> the president has been very open, if you look over the last week, two weeks really, the president has been talking about an ongoing negotiation. and that's been the case, a lot of our members have brought additional ideas, i think it's a good bill already and there are changes brought forward by members from every faction in the conference. it would make it ab even better bill. bottom line, it lowers premiums for families so is tafz families money and cuts tax over $800 billion which puts real money in the pockets of working families and reduces the deficit. most important thing is gets the
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federal government out of your health care decisions so families actually get to decide what's best for them. that's all in the bill and not going to change, it's only going to get better. i'm look being forward to working with the president to continue getting more members to yes and passing repeal and replace bill out of the house. >> what are you dealing with more? people who are saying hey, this doesn't go far enough, want more of these mandates taken out, i want more of the tax structure taken out or people saying i can't go for a bill that's going to work against my own constituents and leave people without insurance coverage in the name of access? i can't sell access. i need to have actual coverage. what are you dealing with more? >> the bill actually does increase access but gives people actual freedom in health care -- >> but access isn't coverage that's what i'm dealing with. in your state you have a huge population -- >> well, right, i get what the rhetoric is back and forth. i'm saying the reality is in states like yours, you have a huge med indicate accessible population that's only growing.
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for those people it doesn't matter how much money you put in an act on them, they won't have the money on top of it to get the coverage they need, especially if you remove mandates of what has to be provided by insurance companies. how concerned are you when you go back home people saying you didn't make this better for me. >> believe me, i've gotten direct testimonies from hundreds of constituents in my district who have told me their health care costs are going up by double digits and constituent after twinlt in southeast louisiana tells me their deductibles being over $10,000, which means they can't even use the health care. they are paying a high premium, it's going up. they have a card for health insurance but not able to use it because the deductible is too high. that's what we're focusing on, lowering cost and allowing people to buy plans better for the family rather than an a bureaucrat in washington. we change that and we're working with members from every faction within our conference who have good ideas to make this even better and the focus is how can
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this actually put more power in the hands of families so they can make the health care decisions at affordable costs to buy the plan they want. >> how do you make it cheaper for people if you take the healthy people out of the pool? that's what the mandate was. they didn't throw it in there because they forced people to buy things they didn't want. you force the young people in and that makes a company reduce its cost, reduce what it's going to charge you, because what the risk pool is, what is the chance it will have to pay out money. insurance companies are in the business of not paying and not paying. how do you replace that incentive to reduce costs with your plan? >> well, under obamacare, what you're seeing is healthy people getting out and paying the penalty and not being in obamacare. you only have less healthy people in the plan. >> wasn't the fix to make the penalty higher so they have to be in? that's what the democrats are arguing. >> we're focusing on plans with lower cost, lower premium cost
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by double digits so more can get in. plus, we establish -- >> are you making them make a bet on their own health? i get the scenario where you're asking someone who is 60 to buy a plan that has prenatal care and that's not what you want to do. it is also not a general situation. the upside is if i buy a plan right for me, thank god my kids and i, we're healthy. but then i'm making a bet, right that nothing bad is going to happen not covered by my plan. that was part of it, make the companies give you all the care you could need, that's what insurance is about. ensuring yourself against the inevitable. >> right. we still protect people with preexisting conditions from being discriminated against. that's protected in the bill but set up high risk pools to give states additional money to help people with preexisting conditions so that you can lower costs. we put real money in place to do that. with the savings we get by
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reforming programs like medicaid where we give governors the flexibility and most governors in the country have said give us more flexibility on medicaid, we can actually help more people with less money. >> but they haven't asked for less money. they said give us more -- everybody wants everything, right? governors are saying give us more control but they want more money. >> in this case, we don't give them less money but we actually give them real flexibility and control to design their program as best as it works for their state because every state has different populations, louisiana's medicaid population is different than the state of new york. >> true. >> if you want a change, you have to go to washington and get a waiver and usually they tell you no. >> numbers do go down and you phase it in over a number of years. it's note going up, it's going down. >> slower increase, only in washington where if you get more money next year, not as much as you wanted to get they call it a cut. states will get increase but it's a slower growth freigrate.
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>> but the rate will be down from where they are right now four years from now. that was a big factor for the cbo in showing how many would wind up not having coverage. we know whether it's you who takes them off the rolls or state, they wind up without coverage. >> some of that reduction comes from a work requirement we actually put in. there's a verification process in the bill where every six months, you have to go get reverified, if you're not eligible for medicaid, they never verify it. so somebody not qualified for medicaid maybe six months from now, they are still getting the service and they -- if they got a job and making more money not eligible for medicaid under our bill we actually verify that and say, look, you've got a job, this program is for poor people, people down on their luck. if you got back on your feet, you're not eligible for the program. the federal government used to look the other way and spend billions of dollars on a lot of
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that waste. it's time to say if you're eligible for the program and need this help, we want it. if you're not eligible, why should the program still be carrying you? >> the pushback is that's real but it's an exception not the rule. i've got to tell you, this was very helpful to the audience, appreciate you being here. they are hearing you say you can get the votes. let's see what happens next. you're always welcome on the show. >> appreciate it. >> poppy? >> so the proof still looking for the proof, none presented so far. president trump maintains he was indeed wiretapped by president obama. what's the play here as the white house fights back in a pretty extraordinary way at their press conference yesterday? is the president hurting himself continuing down this road? we're going to debate that next. tech: don't let a cracked windshield ruin your plans.
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the republican and democratic leaders on the house and senate intelligence committees and house speaker paul ryan and the attorney general jeff sessions all say there is no evidence that that i have seen to support the president's claim that he was wiretapped by his predecessor. why is president trump digging in this way? is it hurting him? is it eroding his credibility? joining us now to debate, rick santorum, former u.s. senator from the great state of pennsylvania. and jason cantor, former missouri secretary of state. so nice to have you both here this friday morning. senator santorum, you often come
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on the air as a defender of the president, many in your own doing that right now.ard time - listen to just some of them talking about what they think the president should do when it comes to those wiretapping claims. >> president trump must provide proof or evidence to substance shat that claim. if he cannot, he should retract. >> you ought to walk it back if the evidence doesn't support the charge you made. in this case i don't tlink it does. >> the president has one of two ch choices, retract or provide the information that the american people deserve. >> senator, is the president hurting himself? if so, to what end? it didn't hurt him when he said president obama wasn't born here. he became the president of the united states, hasn't hurt him so far when he claimed 3 to 5 million voted illegally with no evidence. does this hurt him? >> that's really the point. throughout the course of the
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last campaign, he was very effective in changing the subject and throwing things out there about his opponentses, whether hillary clinton a. ted cruz, a long litany of claims made by then candidate trump to throw off their opponent and get them to focus the attention on the crisis that's now confronting their campaign. so he was effective in doing that. the problem this time, there's no opponent. the only person that drk he can attack president obama and say he wiretapped him but the public right now isn't focused on president obama and don't care that much what president obama did or didn't do. they do care about what the president says and his credibility. and so while he could have gotten away with that in the past, i think it's going to be harder and harder as this presidency goes on to use this tactic and for someone who believes very much in what president trump is trying to do, i think his budget is a great
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step in the right direction. i think what he's doing on health care -- the fact that donald trump is fully engaged in the health care debate and working with members of congress and trying to craft a bill -- i don't think anyone would have thought he would be that engaged but that story isn't being told. the focus is on wiretap. i don't think that's good for his presidentside. >> we're going to get back to the budget you called great in just a moment. your take on what the right play is for democrats here. how much do you think it helps your party leading up to the 2018 midterms to focus on the wiretapping? you heard sean spicer going at it with the media yesterday. how much does that help you guys or does it help to fight tooth and nail on the policy? >> none of this is that helpful to the country at all. when the president keeps making stuff up, it's not a good thing. you've got to wonder if at this point ted cruz isn't watching this wondering if lying ted was a compliment. in terms of what to focus on,
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there needs to be a focus on policy but that's also what's best for the country. anybody who worked in a legislative environment nows more often than not you would rather work with somebody who disagrees with you often but is a straight shooter and tells the truth and doesn't constantly move their position and move what they believe the truth is. that's the problem president trump has and problem it presents for the country. if he's going to constantly change his story as senator santorum says change the narrative by making stuff up, it's hard for democrats or republicans to work with him. >> let's talk about the budget, guys because senator santorum, you call this budget great. it cuts a lot of stuff, it cuts things like afterschool programs and meals on wheels, you're shaking your head but that's what it does and mulvaney defended it yesterday in the fascinating change with peter alexander. listen. >> we can't spend money on programs just because they sound
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good. >> rural counties of pennsylvania that provides afterschool educational programs for individuals in those areas, which so happens to be the state that helped propel president trump to the white house. i'm curious what you say to those americans when they tellmy 800 individuals, children who need it most, will no longer be provided the educational care they need. >> let's talk about afterschool programs generally. they are supposed to be educational programs and help kids who can't -- don't get fed at home get fed so they do better in school. guess what? there's no common strabl evidence they are doing that they are helping results, helping kids do better in school. >> there's a lot of evidence and we can bring it up on the screen and look at the 2008 harvard study that shows us the 2016 afterschool alliance shows us that. you know it. this is your state, pennsylvania. is that a great cut? >> look, the answer is yes because it's not a primary
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parole of the federal government when you look at the fact we're going to be a resource con strained government. the reason we'll be resource constrained both the president and democrats don't want to cut entitlement programs and leaving social security and medicare, off the table, the two biggest programs in the federal government. two thirds of the federal government are entitlement programs and aside from medicaid which the president is going after because it's part of obamacare but not going after the basic medicare program but the obamacare part. when you only have that -- when you only have a small portion of the government to deal with, and you look at the historical lows of the defense department and the principle role of of the federal government is to defend this country, no state can, no local community can, only the federal government. local communities can do day care and do afterschool programs but they can't do national defense. set the priority to where the federal government is really responsible. >> secretary kander, where do
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you disagree with the senator? >> let's start with defending the country. when you are cutting the state department significantly, it really doesn't help us defend the country and makes us less safe. let's talk about the idea of it being a con strained resources. this is what politicians in washington do all the time. they make huge cuts to funding that's going to the states and then they go home and they brag about how they've cut spending at the federal level and the truth is that when that kind of spending gets cut to the states, it's the states that have to raise taxes and spend more. >> thank you both. good weekend to you both. chris? >> thank you very much. we saw sean spicer, the press secretary for us, going at the media, saying no, we have proof of the wiretapping, look at these reports. if that's true, why was the white house apologizing for those same statements? new information ahead. at bp's cooper river plant, employees take safety personally - down to each piece of equipment, so they can protect their teammates
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words matter, that's always been true especially when you're dealing with a white house that's never been as obvious as it is right now. the cnn just lettering that the
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national security adviser hr mcmaster spoke with his british counterpart about sean spicer's comment about a fox news report that suggested british intelligence was helping to wiretap trump tower during the campaign. they had to apologize saying it was unintended. this is part of the bottom line with cnn political analysts and deputy culture editor of the "new york times," patrick heely, i enjoy air quotes have been brought back into mainstream by the wiretapping deal. let's look at this as fact. you had strong and wrong, sean spicer say this is on you, media, plenty of reports. one of them that he mentioned was this fox news accusation about british intel. what does it mean if mcmaster had to talk to british intel and call that unintentional bringing them into this, essentially it's an apology. >> sean spicer can blame the media all he wants and sit in the press room and come up with different spin every day and use
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the air quotes that the administration wants to put the claims and policy in, but the reality is, there's accountability. you can't just sort of cite random news reports and then elevate it to accusing one of america's closest allies of essentially spying on a presidential candidate without giving any kind of evidence. normally, you don't see a white house go beyond just regurnlg tating a news report and going towards making actual allegations without any kind of evidence. why do it against the british? why start picking fights with -- >> critical ally. here's what the british spy agency known as gchq said. recent allegations made by media commentator about gchq being asked to conduct wiretapping against then president elect are nonsense and utterly ridiculous and should be ignored. let's talk about the danger
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here. i do think the bar is lower some would say for this president when it comes to the word choices he uses, even about our allies, right? >> right. >> where's the real danger in this? >> i mean, the real danger is that the white house is choosing to use a talking head, judge andrew napolitano on fox news as some -- basically of evidence of wrong doing that their own fbi has been saying behind the scenes next week, untrue. why are they trusting andrew thnapolitano more than the fbi. they could have cleared this up two weeks ago by saying was there a fisa warrant on trump tower? if they are going to make charges against great britain for doing this, they need to provide evidence. remember this is the place that could get the evidence more quickly than any other of these intelligence committees.
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>> right. >> the president of the united states. >> one phone call. >> he can make one phone call. it's easy to clear up. for some reason instead of trying to narrow this and clarify it and bring clarity, they are expanding it and bringing in other countries. but the danger is that for instance, you have the secretary of state visiting the dmz north korea and south korea talking about what intelligence might show the north koreans doing with nuclear tests. you get to a point, okay, what are we all going to think when sean spicer gets up at the podium and starts talking about a fox news report or president trump tweets about something that he heard about something that north korea is doing and how far does that get us up to the line of potentially serious dangerous clash? >> so, what do we see here in terms of the bottom line? you're seeing the penalty. it's one thing to beat up on the media and say whatever you want because what are we going to do
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about it. but when you're britain and don't like how you've been maligned now what do we see? sean spicer may yet at the media. mcmaster didn't say prove we're wrong or use some other silly construct they use with us. isn't that the price of this? >> yeah. >> that's why words matter because now this is what people have been talking -- they say it's far fetched, you say it could lead to something. you just had one of your main allies, stop talking to us, had to put out a statement, stop talking about us. >> the bottom line is clear. the longer the administration plays the game with words where the danger is coming up where they are basically making accusations out there and putting things out there they can't defend, credibility goes down. credibility goes down. frafrpgly from the white house briefing podium it's all about credibility. >> when you have to make the case for something serious about national security, can the american people trust you?
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budget proposal would eliminate critical funding that the nypd relies on to combat terrorism. jason carroll has more details. >> poppy, if you want to see how the city is reacting to this, take a look at the cover the quts new york daily news, one world trade you see there and you see it right there as a target. it's a pretty provocative image and falls in step with what the police commissioner was saying what would happen if the budget proposals go forward, it would make it less safe. james o'neill says trump's budget would translate into cutting 110 million that the nypd receives annually as part of the homeland security grant program. that means the city would not be able to pay for counterterrorism tools put into place following 9/11. including the network of security cameras that monitor potential soft targets like times square and radio logical
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detectors placed throughout the city, active shooter training for officers and intelligence analysis which is key to preventing another terrorist attack. >> under the president's proposal nearly all federal funding to the nypd would be irradiated. this is critical and back bone of our entire counterterrorism apparatus. >> new york city is directly in the cross hairs of this budget proposal. the people of our city, their lives would be hurt by it. >> security experts say new york city is the nation's top terror target. one estimate shows since 2002, the city has been targeted by more than 20 tore plots. last year an attacker set off a bomb in chelsea. it did not explode and dismantled by the bomb squad which also would be in jeopardy under trump's budget. poppy? >> i remember that night well and covering it live. jason carroll, thank you for that. time now for the five things you
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need to know for your new day. rex tillerson in south korea delivering a strong warning to north korea, saying nothing is off the table if pyongyang continues to elevate its nuclear program. >> and president trump standing by the claim that president obama had him wiretapped even though the house speaker and head of the house and senate intel committees say there is no evidence. new york city's police commissioner as you just heard blasting the trump budget proposal say it would gut all federal funding to the nypd. >> president trump welcomes angela merkel to the white house, nato, isis and state of russia and ukraine expected to top the agenda before they will take questions from reporters. >> round one madness on tap today in the ncaa college basketball tournament on thursday northwestern made the most of its first appearance in the dance in 78 years, knocking
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vanderbilt off in a nail biting, 68-66. those are five things you need to know for your new day. here are a few extras to brighten your friday. chavez of san diego, the oldest surviving pearl harbor veteran, getting a letter from president trump to mark his 105th birthday yesterday. the letter from the president thanking travis for his service while urging him to keep going. today ice breaking begins on beautiful lake superior's twin ports, the wake-up call ritual prepares the harbor for shipping season in the spring. the first ship for 2017 leaves on march the 22nd. and a pennsylvania community helped save a toddler's life, 23-month-old bentley ginger laski suffers from a heart condition. his mom called for help and an ambulance arrived along with plows and coast guard came to help. the family got to the hospital
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when sunday's episode, finding jesus, david gregory travels to thatnazareth. he is the author of "how's your faith" and what a great assignment. >> finding jesus, new episode does focus on nazareth, the boyhood home of jesus and i went in a promotional aspect for this very interesting documentary to take on this idea of biblical jesus and any search would take you to his boyhood home of nazareth. that's very little in this city that evokes the biblical era of what it once was unless you know what you're looking for. >> the city of nazareth, nestled in the hills, it is the biggest
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city in israel's north district. home to almost 70,000 people. it's hard to imagine it is the small first century town where jesus grew up. now largely an arab city, then it was a mostly uninhabited jewish settlement. today's market harkens back to the town's agricultural roots. >> i grew up here and i go through the alley ways and feel connected to the history of the holy family. >> reporter: a tour guide with a background in arcology shows us how to find the layers of history, stretching back more than 2,000 years bee neej this modern city. an underground discovery provides clues to the childhood of jesus. was this where he went his early years? >> one of the gardeners was
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cleaning the cistern and discovered under the con vent a unique place that has significant findings. >> writings from a seventh century bishop refer to a church built on spot where jesus is said to grew up. >> there was a church where our lord grew up, adjacent to the spring, they could really see the signs or tracks in the marble above the spring. the sisters found a lot of pieces of stones and found also some pieces kept in the mud of the priest investments. >> along with these underground arches, these discoveries point to an ancient church built at this spot but only in the past ten years have further excavations revealed signs of an actual home here. >> it is a home. it is vacant to first century,
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this is the inside of the house and that's the door. >> and the discovery of a tomb covered about a rolling stone specific to the time of jesus. >> they found the stone closed. >> raising the possibility that this could be where this could be where jesus spend his younger years. pilgrims come to quietly reflect on the history of jesus and his family here and read gospels which speak powerfully of divine presence. it is in this ancient city where we come upon one of christianity's most important moments, it is here according to the gospel of luke that the angel gabe yell comes to speak to mary and tells her she'll have a son and his name will be jesus. the church of the ee nuns yags commemorates where the faithful believe this took place and visited by pilgrims all over the
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world. catholics believe the and cent cave in the church was mary's home. >> when you read the encounter between mary and angel that took place there, you have a sense of god's direct intervention in the course of human history. >> reporter: a matter of belief in a city where the pilgrim comes to experience ancient evidence of holiness. >> david, it's a beautiful piece and fas natucinate s discussion. the key central question is how sure can we be? >> well, there's still a lot of mystery. i think one of the things that finding jesus series does so well is it doesn't resolve these questions. it leans into the mystery. in the case of the sisters of the nazareth who have this discovery in the early '60s, there are still questions. it's pieces of a puzzle. history telling us jesus lived there, holy family lived there. it's impossible to know for
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certain for centuries you see churches and muslims have done this as well and jews as well, in this case christians building churches they believe something holy occurred that the holy family was there. >> absolutely. david gregory, thank you so much for that. for all of you watch, join us at 9:00 eastern on sunday right here on cnn. thank you so much for being with us this friday morning. have a great weekend. cnn newsroom with john berman picks up right after this. is caringing because covering heals faster. for a bandage that moves with you and stays on all day, cover with a band-aid brand flexible fabric adhesive bandage.
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